You’re choosing to ignore the science but have no problem espousing hysterical right wing media talking points. You are no more right today than you were yesterday or the days before.
Kat is ruining people's days, every day with her bigotry. She doesn't just spout it from her own page, she actively searches for trans people and their allies and goes to their comments to call them disgusting, moronic, and child abusers because she is so, so afraid of her own gender identity that all she can do to avoid those thoughts is constantly bully and attack other people.
I don't want to read her mind-numbingly stupid hate speech on my beloved Substack every damn day. How is this ok??
Yes, you are saying what we are all thinking inside. I am with you 100%
I tried to outline my reasoning for not moderating here in my own comment section *this time* - it stands to serve as an example - this is what a TERF believes, this is the mentality we are dealing with, and this is what it looks like when they spin out, particularly when faced with facts. This is what cognitive dissonance looks like to the outside observer.
This is what we must learn to identify even in its more subtle forms, and this is what we must learn to stand against. With compassion, love, empathy as our strength, our unity and resolve, armed with facts and science, I feel we can learn from this and stand tall, proud, and stronger together!
But remember, if she is ruining your day, then she wins :)
Your responses are beautiful and your patience is impressive. I don't disagree with your approach at all for as long as Kat is here, actively hurting people. Leaving her comments up lets Substack and everyone know exactly who she is.
And also, I look forward to the day when she isn't hurting anyone I care about anymore!
Hi Kat, just so you are aware, your argument contains several logical fallacies and misrepresentations that undermine its validity:
Hasty generalization: You make broad claims about complex legal and psychological concepts without providing sufficient evidence.
Begging the question: You assume your conclusion ("There is no such thing as 'gender identity'") in your premises without providing evidence.
False dichotomy: You present a simplistic binary view of sex and gender, ignoring the complexity recognized by modern science.
Ad hominem: Labeling those who disagree with you as "mentally ill" attacks character rather than addressing arguments.
Appeal to nature: Claiming immutability of sex doesn't address the validity of gender identity or the ethics of gender-affirming care.
Your misrepresentations include:
Oversimplifying the legal concept of hate speech. While "hate speech" isn't a legal term in U.S. law, speech that incites violence or discrimination is often restricted.
Conflating sex and gender, which are distinct concepts in modern scientific understanding.
Characterizing gender-affirming care as "chasing an unobtainable goal," which misrepresents the intent and outcomes of these treatments.
I have these on copy/paste now, it is like clockwork. Even this bit:
A productive discussion on these complex topics requires engaging with the nuanced scientific understanding of sex, gender, and identity, rather than relying on oversimplifications and logical fallacies. Your argument fails to address the actual evidence and ethical considerations involved in these issues.
I cite my sources to be both transparent and accountable. Everyone can see where I get my data from and what the science says. This way no one has to take my word for you it, they can see for themselves! Feel free to dive into the research and prove me a wrong.
You claim I am am immoral, but the immoral thing to do is to deny your kid the room to safely explore their gender and/or sexuality as they grow and mature, to be free to be themselves, and to be loved and accepted, supported and cared for, simply for being themselves. I advocate and want these things for all kids. To give them the respect they deserve and to do so with safety, dignity, and compassion. The immoral thing is to gaslight your child and to deny them these opportunities and the care they need/deserve, to isolate them and harangue them, and to neglect them and their mental and physical health. "Gender critical" ideologues such as yourself advocate for deny all these things, and engaging in these deplorable practices and behaviors.
I will never pretend that I did not support gender affirming care - even if it is proven to be totally unfounded. That would be dishonest. Furthermore, my position will not change due to some lawsuits. My position will change only when science has gained compelling new insight and understanding that convinces me to change base on what we have learned.
I stand by my position, which aligns with current scientific consensus. I am not making unfounded claims like 'there is no such thing as trans' or 'none of this is real.' The reality is that scientific evidence and consensus supports the existence of transgender identities and gender affirming care, and does not support the claims, beliefs, and ideology that deny the existence of transgender people or the "gender critical" ideology.
Yeah, I know. I feel bad for them, so I figure if I can give them a well reasoned answer, at least someone listened to them, you know?
If anything, it just inspires me to write more articles/essays, do more fact-check/debunking pieces, and spread a bit more facts and truth out there. Hopefully one of these nuggets will be read by someone and not fall into the confirmation bias echo chamber, or maybe feel that there are people out there who care and support them, and makes a better choice today.
Sure you are, or you wouldn’t be here name calling, spreading lies, citing to bogus articles. Your opioid and cigarette study comparisons are straw man arguments that have zero relevance to trans studies.
In all honesty, Kay-El, Kat has somehow managed to say one true thing here: Kat does not appear to have a phobia. Fevered-pitch bigotry is often perceived as a phobia, but a phobia is a pathological fear, about which a person has no choice. Kat has a choice. Kat does not have to be a hateful bigotry fueled by junk-science bullshit. Kat could choose to be a curious, respectful, empathic person, but for some reason has chosen the hateful junk-science bullshit path. It would be humorous if it weren't so hateful destructive.
So we are going to cry "John Money" and spout conspiracy theories? Make unfounded and inflammatory personal attacks and claims?
Do you realize that trans people are Money's victims, not his creations?
Do you realize that his deplorable experiment only proves what trans people have been saying all along, that one's gender identity is innate and not changeable? It is kind of strange you would resort to this kind of self-own.
Trans rights and women's rights are not mutually exclusive. Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It is not pie.
As for everything else you said here, it is just noise with out evidence and reads as a denial of reality. The more you say these things, the more you write personal attacks and insults and make wild and unfounded claims, the more you appear as someone who has lost touch with reality and is becoming unhinged. This undermines any credibility you may have had.
Again, more baseless accusations. If you want me to take you seriously, then provide evidence to back up your claims.
You are just spouting a bunch talking points that have been thoroughly debunked, refuted, redacted, or disproven. Over and over again, like a mantra - something irrational and indoctrinated people do. Like cultists.
You see, indoctrinated people are preconditioned to dismiss facts.
I will change my view if new information comes along that effectively contradicts my beliefs.
This is why I follow the science, cite my sources, and so on. I go where the science and data lead. I go with facts, nor fear.
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You’re choosing to ignore the science but have no problem espousing hysterical right wing media talking points. You are no more right today than you were yesterday or the days before.
@Substack HOW IS THIS NOT HATE SPEECH!!?
Kat is ruining people's days, every day with her bigotry. She doesn't just spout it from her own page, she actively searches for trans people and their allies and goes to their comments to call them disgusting, moronic, and child abusers because she is so, so afraid of her own gender identity that all she can do to avoid those thoughts is constantly bully and attack other people.
I don't want to read her mind-numbingly stupid hate speech on my beloved Substack every damn day. How is this ok??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24WYoGQhiBs SCNR.
This made me LOL - thank you!
Unfortunately, Substack doesn't have a problem with hate speech. They're fine with it.
Yes, you are saying what we are all thinking inside. I am with you 100%
I tried to outline my reasoning for not moderating here in my own comment section *this time* - it stands to serve as an example - this is what a TERF believes, this is the mentality we are dealing with, and this is what it looks like when they spin out, particularly when faced with facts. This is what cognitive dissonance looks like to the outside observer.
This is what we must learn to identify even in its more subtle forms, and this is what we must learn to stand against. With compassion, love, empathy as our strength, our unity and resolve, armed with facts and science, I feel we can learn from this and stand tall, proud, and stronger together!
But remember, if she is ruining your day, then she wins :)
Love conquers all <3
Your responses are beautiful and your patience is impressive. I don't disagree with your approach at all for as long as Kat is here, actively hurting people. Leaving her comments up lets Substack and everyone know exactly who she is.
And also, I look forward to the day when she isn't hurting anyone I care about anymore!
You and me both, Allyson, you and me both <3
Hi Kat, just so you are aware, your argument contains several logical fallacies and misrepresentations that undermine its validity:
Hasty generalization: You make broad claims about complex legal and psychological concepts without providing sufficient evidence.
Begging the question: You assume your conclusion ("There is no such thing as 'gender identity'") in your premises without providing evidence.
False dichotomy: You present a simplistic binary view of sex and gender, ignoring the complexity recognized by modern science.
Ad hominem: Labeling those who disagree with you as "mentally ill" attacks character rather than addressing arguments.
Appeal to nature: Claiming immutability of sex doesn't address the validity of gender identity or the ethics of gender-affirming care.
Your misrepresentations include:
Oversimplifying the legal concept of hate speech. While "hate speech" isn't a legal term in U.S. law, speech that incites violence or discrimination is often restricted.
Conflating sex and gender, which are distinct concepts in modern scientific understanding.
Characterizing gender-affirming care as "chasing an unobtainable goal," which misrepresents the intent and outcomes of these treatments.
I have these on copy/paste now, it is like clockwork. Even this bit:
A productive discussion on these complex topics requires engaging with the nuanced scientific understanding of sex, gender, and identity, rather than relying on oversimplifications and logical fallacies. Your argument fails to address the actual evidence and ethical considerations involved in these issues.
If you’d actually read the literature you’d have your questions answered. What are you afraid of?
Why do you need anyone to answer when you already know everything? So you can scream your hate? Lol.
I cite my sources to be both transparent and accountable. Everyone can see where I get my data from and what the science says. This way no one has to take my word for you it, they can see for themselves! Feel free to dive into the research and prove me a wrong.
You claim I am am immoral, but the immoral thing to do is to deny your kid the room to safely explore their gender and/or sexuality as they grow and mature, to be free to be themselves, and to be loved and accepted, supported and cared for, simply for being themselves. I advocate and want these things for all kids. To give them the respect they deserve and to do so with safety, dignity, and compassion. The immoral thing is to gaslight your child and to deny them these opportunities and the care they need/deserve, to isolate them and harangue them, and to neglect them and their mental and physical health. "Gender critical" ideologues such as yourself advocate for deny all these things, and engaging in these deplorable practices and behaviors.
I will never pretend that I did not support gender affirming care - even if it is proven to be totally unfounded. That would be dishonest. Furthermore, my position will not change due to some lawsuits. My position will change only when science has gained compelling new insight and understanding that convinces me to change base on what we have learned.
I stand by my position, which aligns with current scientific consensus. I am not making unfounded claims like 'there is no such thing as trans' or 'none of this is real.' The reality is that scientific evidence and consensus supports the existence of transgender identities and gender affirming care, and does not support the claims, beliefs, and ideology that deny the existence of transgender people or the "gender critical" ideology.
Beautiful handling of this Robin. Your patience in the face of unbelievable levels of stupidity, heartlessness, and self-hate is impressive.
If you meant this for Robin Taylor who commented earlier, I agree! He is a pretty cool guy :) <3
If you meant this comment for me, then thanks! I try my best, and appreciate the kind words and encouragement, it really does make a difference!
I’ve run into Kat before. She’s a TERF and cites to garbage media to prove what she thinks is the truth. No critical thinking, just phobia.
Yup, me too. Kat is dedicated to the practice of ignoring evidence in favor of bigotry.
Yeah, I know. I feel bad for them, so I figure if I can give them a well reasoned answer, at least someone listened to them, you know?
If anything, it just inspires me to write more articles/essays, do more fact-check/debunking pieces, and spread a bit more facts and truth out there. Hopefully one of these nuggets will be read by someone and not fall into the confirmation bias echo chamber, or maybe feel that there are people out there who care and support them, and makes a better choice today.
Your response was great. I doubt it will make a difference to her but it will to someone else and that’s what matters.
Hey, thanks for this! The encouragement and feedback really helps :)
Why won't you answer PITT's questions? It should be easy to do, if you have facts to back up your argument.
Sure you are, or you wouldn’t be here name calling, spreading lies, citing to bogus articles. Your opioid and cigarette study comparisons are straw man arguments that have zero relevance to trans studies.
In all honesty, Kay-El, Kat has somehow managed to say one true thing here: Kat does not appear to have a phobia. Fevered-pitch bigotry is often perceived as a phobia, but a phobia is a pathological fear, about which a person has no choice. Kat has a choice. Kat does not have to be a hateful bigotry fueled by junk-science bullshit. Kat could choose to be a curious, respectful, empathic person, but for some reason has chosen the hateful junk-science bullshit path. It would be humorous if it weren't so hateful destructive.
Hmmm, an excellent point. I stand corrected.
The only thing collapsing is you.
that's a weird thing to say
It is, isn't it?
So we are going to cry "John Money" and spout conspiracy theories? Make unfounded and inflammatory personal attacks and claims?
Do you realize that trans people are Money's victims, not his creations?
Do you realize that his deplorable experiment only proves what trans people have been saying all along, that one's gender identity is innate and not changeable? It is kind of strange you would resort to this kind of self-own.
Trans rights and women's rights are not mutually exclusive. Equal rights for others does not mean fewer rights for you. It is not pie.
As for everything else you said here, it is just noise with out evidence and reads as a denial of reality. The more you say these things, the more you write personal attacks and insults and make wild and unfounded claims, the more you appear as someone who has lost touch with reality and is becoming unhinged. This undermines any credibility you may have had.
Again, more baseless accusations. If you want me to take you seriously, then provide evidence to back up your claims.
You are just spouting a bunch talking points that have been thoroughly debunked, refuted, redacted, or disproven. Over and over again, like a mantra - something irrational and indoctrinated people do. Like cultists.
You see, indoctrinated people are preconditioned to dismiss facts.
I will change my view if new information comes along that effectively contradicts my beliefs.
This is why I follow the science, cite my sources, and so on. I go where the science and data lead. I go with facts, nor fear.